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more people watched the democratic national convention here on msnbc this year than anywhere else on cable which is awesome and thanks to you for wahing that here. but now up next, presidential debates. omig start next , ek i'll be here in new york, chris matthews will be in denver. the debates are starting. so 8 p.m. wednesday night. you are on notice. you have onweek to canyo an be with us. now it's time for ""the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. tonight, the romney campaign which should be sinking under the weight of its own lies is actually sinking. because mitt romney t caught lline truthutowe really feels about 47% of the american people. >> president obama and i both
care about t poor and middle class families. >> we have brand new polling out ismorng. tewls out today. >> three separate swing states. >> show voters trend ago way from him. >> barack obama is a little bit ahead at this time. >> because the closer we get to the election, the dumber mitt romney appears to be getting. >> there'so queion wve maou mistakes. >> time that cruel cruel mistress is slipping away. >> you may have noticed there's an election going on here in oh, i don't see a lot of victims. i see har workingohioans. >> we can't afford four more years like the last four years. >> how many times canou visit the state of ohio before they get tired of seeing you. >> the president makes his 29th trip. >> if we win ohio, we'll w this ection. >> if we winoh w w t election. >> governor romney has logged 17
trips. >> no republican in history has won the presidency without ohio. >> romney, ryan. >> oh, sweetjesus. ob make no miake,io >> so you're a big romney supporter. >> if we don't run chris christie, romney will be the nominee and will lose. i get the last word. with jus 41ay u presidential election, new swing state polls show that the secretly recorded tape revealing mitt romney's intention to abandon 37% of the american people if elected president is actually having the efft you would et. eyecy recorded words are crushing his campaign. a new poll shows presidentbama running ten points ahead of mitt romney in ohio, which is where
abc news found mitt romney evyds he dropped on im abo 47% of the american people. >> about the people you said you couldn't convince to take greater responsibility. those are heavy words. >> what i'm talking about is a political process. i don't expect to get 100% o the vote i he get 50-plus % and make sure i get the next president. >> that was his answer to the worst possible thing he could have said in his campaign, that was the best he could respond with. notice that no where in that answer does tt romney attempt to actually repair tamag o hiecy recorded words. he simply says i'm just trying to get more than 50% of the vote. no word of explanation. no attempt of an apology to any w heard him say this.s who have >> 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter
what. all right? there are 47% who are with him, whore dependent upon government, who believe they are victims, w believe that they are entitle to health care, food, to housing. they pay no income tax. >> president obama has no intention of allowing mitt romney to run away fm those heavy words, especiallynohio >> die going to get very far. if we've got leaders who write-off half the nation as a bunch of victims who don't take responsibility for their own lives. let me tell yo iod n't lot of t of timen victims. i see a lot of hard-working ohioans. >> a new poll shows 54% of mitt romney's words uavorably and
mnad to say.b ttit that same poll shows that 61% of americans have an unfavorable opinion of the way mitt romney is running his campaign. that's up 12 points from july. 54% ofmericans have a favorae opion theay ry niis campaign. that's up 8 points from july. the romney campaign tried to bail out their sinking ship today by handing mitt romney this scpt. >> too many americans are struggling to find work in o oho a ony. working are living paycheck to paycheck, trying to make falling incomes meet rising prices for food and gas. more americans are living in poverty than when president obama took office and 15 million moreredst. president obama and i both care about poor and middle class families. the difference is, my policies will make things better for
them. >> unfortunately, romney could not remember any of those lines of that script when he was trying to answer the abc news question about those hvy s. iow the democratic national committee responded to that romney ad. >> too many americans are struggling to find work in today's economy. >> i like being able to fire people. >> too many of those who are working are living paycheck to paycheck. >> i'm tell ywhat. 10,000 bucks? >> president obama and i both care about poor and middle class families. >> i'm not concerned about the very poor. >> the difference is my policies will make things better for them. >> and so my job is not to worry about those pe. they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. >> i'm mitt romney and i approved this message. >> according to aew york times poll, among likely vers in mnowut 10 points.
in florida president obama leads by 9 points. in pennsylvania, the president leads by 12 points. and according to a new bombe po president obama leads by 6 points. tonight nate silver fraufts that on november 6, president obama will opinion 316 votes and mitt romney will within 222. nnth election is at 81.9%. the highest of this campaign cycle. joy reid, i will bet you $10,000 that we a going to see a piece ofha st tape, about the 47% in most of the obama and team obama campaign ads for the rest of the way. >> it is going to be on an
endless loop from now until election day. that is for sure because it's so effective. inay doc sdnk him. he ripped the veil off something like 30 years republican fooling working class people into thinking you know what? we may be the party of management and the democrats are the party of labor but we really 's swi t d ny get working class people they don't seem to like them very much. i think mitt romney is like the guy who has to show up at a dinner party after being overheard insulting half the guests. a lotf pele ithero a 47ers, he looks awkward and out of place. >> joy speaks for me. >> the great thing about where we are is that the statement that is controlling this campaign at this poi is, as far as we know, the one true thing that mitt romneyas said in theours of e ee campaign. i mean, my assessment of that
tape is, the feel that i have for that guy is, that was the real romney. if i've seen any real romney, that was it. >> i don't know what the real romney is. >> i'm si >> he no clue. that's him at that moment that day, i don't know who the guy is. i have never known who he is. i think he's the worst candidate that i have ever seen running on eier ticket. but what the tap illtrat- >> how old were you when spiro agnew was running for vice president? >> troblem that romney has now is the kind of worry about the calcification of incompetence. that his incompetence is beginning to calcify in the
minds of voters. that peopl g to a point where theris nco. it become so solid in their thinking that this is just a guy who's not up to the task. and part of that is policy, and part of that is just impressionistic. the policy pie he won't is hard to go anywhere in america and say tell me what mitt romney stands for, policy-wise. and it's very hard for people to answer that, because all they can say is, well, he's for lower taxes and he wants to give everyby a job. but where are the jobs coming from? and if he lowers taxes, for whom is he lowering taxes and do lower class people or middle income pay for that. and there's the impressionistic part which isomplicated complicated by all these gaffes. henoeeoo out of his mouth. that is a problem for him. you look to leaders to be
leaders both in policy and impression. that they can sit at a table and negotiate with somebody. world leaders or whomever. you don'tetha sen f romney. mitt romney, the impression you get from him is that this is a loser and nobody wants a loser. >> you're putting the finger on incompetence is a crucial observation which i haveot . thotalyem a you point out, this person isn't really competent at what he's trying to do. what he's trying to do right now is run for president. when you run for president you don't say that, you don't say that, and that may be what you'reeeing in that poll mb thays tsepl do avethe way he's running his campaign. >> absolutely. because you take the partisans, a separate issue, partisans are partisan because of policy. you believe that, you know, life begins at inceptn, it's hard
to move om tt tion if bve sovereignty of your body, whoever you sleep with or how you choose to exercise your health, it's hard t move from thatolicy position. if you're one of the people in ele tar lta pieces of this and i'm kind of going with the guy, the person who appeals to me on a visceral based level, this personoes not connect in that way. he is not a competent figure when all things are taken th >>il o'reilly thinks he's got romney's problem figured out. >> the problem mitt romney has right now is a perception that he's out of touch with the folks. the president has spent hundrs of millions of dollars on ads stating that and the govno doom across as a classic rich guy. it's tough to picture him super
sizing his meal at mcdonald's. >> this is the old fhion analysisha's oto i think charles's point trumps all of this that really what is comingcross to people, he's not competent. that is possibly the worst thi that could come across. >> i was waiting for charles to say thword ser. ng i ry not only does it calcify among the electorate -- >> loser. i would never go that far. >> loser is deadly in a campaign because it starts to affect donors. nobody wants to put money behind lowester it srts athe media's impression of you. it becomes a metastasizing cancer in any campaign. the only thing i would take issue with is that i think people do know what they ink would do. that's the other problem. when you look add t to , e s a story in the
washington post where obama and romney are splitting seniors. one of the people who spoke. >>omney shoulbe ared. >> he should be w ahead. lp his fellow rich ano brothers and not me. that's dangerous. >> i think joe scarborough this moing has sumrized howard s epcahi morning. let's listen to joe. >> wait a second. romney, ry! there we go. that's great. thank you. ou don't fix it. s. >> he is a great businessman, great turnaround guy if i had a business anywhere in the world, i'd have him run it.
he's a horrible politician. he'sne of the wot. >> that had loser written all over it. we are in unanimous agreement in joe scarborough. >> that made me sad. >> joy reid and charles thank you for joining me tonight. coming up, mitt romney is now contradicting himself. within minutes he said one thing to nbc nsacgeon before going on stage at a rally in ohio and saying the exact opposite. and the man who said mitt romney would be a disastrous debatetor against president obama is now giving mitt romney adven ho toat pdea. that's coming up with jonathan
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okay. i know you've heard this before but i want you to listen to it one more time, just short piece of it. >> the 47% who are with him, who believe that they aim who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them. who believe that they're entitled to health care. >> who believe they are entitled to health care. the same guy who said that, the same guy who just condemned people who belie they are ened health care, that same guy said this tonight to ron allen of nbc news. >> i care very deeply about the american people andeople of different socioeconomic circumstances. we've talked about my record in ssse dofo, got everybody in
my state insured. 100% of the kids in our sta have health insurance. i don't think there's anything that shows more empathy about the care of the people in this country than that kind of record >> so 0% oeidn massachusetts are now entitled to health care thanks to mitt romney. that also means those kids are among the people romney condemns out of the other side of his mouth for believing they are entitled to health care. and r a ry beamed with pride for making health care an entitlement for virtually everyone in his ste, the same mitt romney got up on stage minutes later and said this. >> obama care is really exhibit nuer one of th ids tiphop an that is that government knows better than people how to run their lives. >> joining me now are karen
finney and robert reich. professor reich, the romney flip flopping now, it's instantaneous, now separated by minutes. he's gettingaught up alth care as we just saw. romney care versus obama care. it seems like just -- and you've been around enough campaigns, that behaviorally what we're seeing here in this candidate is a form of public pani thfllog related to him being absolutely lost at this point as a candidate. >> i think that's right, lawrence. it's a form of desperation. what this candidate is displayings a lot of different voices yelling i his ear from different aides, saying you've
got to be this kind of candidate. some of them are saying in response to that 47% video, you've got to show compassion. so all day today, romney in ohio was going aund saying his heart hes for peoe w a unemployed. he is proud of what he did in health care in massachusetts. he's proud of the entitlements he created. but the same romy hearing from another politicaldv r back to the right wing craziness that has characterize the the republican party for years now. and he wants to appeal to get out the vote among the base. >> we know he's bn criticized and he's been critized from clg specifics in his o tax proposals. he says he's going to cut every income tax rate by 20%, but that'soing to be balanced somehow by changes i deductions. let's listen to how he talked
about that today. y tax at the individual tax rate. so our individual income taxes are once i want to reform. make them simpler. bring the rates down. don't be spigoting a huge cut in taxes. but by rinng ratownll bebleo let small businesses keep more of their money -- >> so karen finney, there is with the standard message up to today, which is i want to bring the rates down. and then the next sentence is, but dot be expecting a huge taxut becse aoi to lower deductions. his problem is we've asked him for specifics. he didn't give us any, but he sure left his audience confused with the way he said that. >> well, i almos expected him to say you free loads, don't expect a big tt. yrd he admitted that president obama did not cut taxes on the middle class. so this guy doesn't know if he's
coming or going. i think what you're shong is emiesprmsentially that this campaign is trying to be all things to all people without be a core and center narrative about who he is and what he's trying to accomplish. so much of what we're seeing is not just desperation, but it's trying tplease or appease all thesdienen anhe lack of consistency plays into his fundamental flaw as a candidate, which is he's not trust worthy. people can't trust him. so if you're an undecided voter sitting at home and you see yesterday he said the thing abouobama, today heays d't ctigax t, you're thinking i don't know what this guy is going to do. the incompetence in that, the uncertainty of that is not something you can afford when you're a challenger going up against an incumbent president.
>> some republicans areay romney be romney. the problem is let romney be romney, is that there is no romney to be. >> he's been flailing around trying to prove that he cares about 100% of the populion for ak now. let's listen to one of his least eloquent defenders makes the case. >> i kno some of you people are not excid about romney. but the bottom line is folks, i e agay, one-armed amputee on the upper west side, there's not one thing mitt romney has done to you yet. andhere's not one thing mitt romney plans on doing to you. but whatever yrcoc circumstance is, mitt romney has had nothing to do with it. >> so bob reich, i guess he's
right there for every gay one-armed a.m. u tea on the upper st side of manhattan. i c m aosts s of that than i can make of mitt romney. there is a choice that has to be made. republicans are going to be making that choice. and the question, the narrative that is going to be coming out over the next few weeks is the problem here with the candidate or is it problem with right-wi gophat isut o st with the rest of americament and a lot of republicans are getting the long knives out and they want to attack romney as the worst candidate they could have possibly put up. but actuay romney is doing exactly what theop has wanted. he ihegop's candidate because he has been saying what the gop has been saying. a right wing gop that has all of the intolerance, all of the narrow mindedness, doesn't really care about the 47%. that what the policy . >> i havok d rt
reich as being unable to make sense of rush limbaugh. your name is being added to the list of everyone else who has ever been on this show. karen fin i and robert reich. thank you for joing me cg au ryan's values line. whenever you hear a republican talking about values, that's when you know they're lying. that's in tonight's rewrite. and we'll talk to the man standing betweennother term in the house of representatives for bat crap crazy congressman allen west. i didn't think it was anything. i had pain in my abdomen... it just wouldn't go away. i was spotting, but i had already gone through menopause. these symptoms may be nothing... but they cld be early warning signs of aynolog canr, su as icmptoms may be nothing... ar oerca. feeling bloated for no reason. that's what i remember. seeing my doctor probably saved my life.
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debating oba, oba is going to laugh am. t w i january talking about mitt romney finding himself in the debate with obama. jonathan cape heart, new gingrich thinks this is going to be easy or used to think this waoi to ey f president obama. one week from tonight we will have just watched the completion six minutes ago one week from tonight of the very first debate. w, eh side is trying to spin it likehe other guy is grea at yanticipating? >> i'm in that examp that says mitt romney is going to do a whole lot better than his campaign would suggest. that this is a guy who thrives in narrow environments. en he knows that the clock i ckdonds g minutes, he's got the perfect
answer, he'll sound reasonable, all those things that newt gingrich said in this piece that he wrote, giving unsolicited advice to mitt romney about what the opts will mean aoppod o h. think it's 85% visual and 5% substance. so mitt romney thrives in those enviroents. as we saw in the debates. mitt romneyuddenly woke up beco aieggiv debater. i think that's what we're going to see a week from tonight. >> let's listen from newt's advice how to debate president obama. >> first, relax and be prepared. be nest. sorr that's out of e ti usmoon't know. $10,000 bets, that sort of thing. enjoy the evening. oh, thanks newt. that's really helpful. and of course, be assertivend
be on offense against bothbama and the media. thatlw wkeorwt right? >> can we have some real talk about newt gingrich here? >> please, yes, sir. >> the guy who lost to the guy who's losing to the president is giving out advice on how to win. >> good point. >> so i just want to apprecie that context. asorttngia -- >> and by the way, newt lost in the debates. he would have a good debate with some dramatic flourishes basicay in attacking the media. and then mitt watched that and came back in subsequent dates and beat him in debate >> that's what iught whe moevngin in his article, lawrence, was he said that attacking the media really workds for him, the guy who lost, because he got big applause lines. >> among fan at kal republicans. >> ang the core baset has taken the republicans to the right. i think that was revealing.
even now some distance from his failure, that sums up the mistake that newt gingrich a mitt romney share. mistaking the most radical elements of their base for lilviy. >> and newt says it is inevitable the media will ask mitt romney about the 47% instead of answering it -- like that's going to be an easy option. instead answering it romney shou pivot and say let me tell yoouthe100% has failed, the 100% who have to buy gasoline, blah, blah, blah. so in other words do not answer that. >> the only problem the president can come back and say he said i don't have to worry abouthose le there's no way to pivot away from trashing 47% of the country. and it's not just 47% of those folks who don't pay taxes. he said those are the people who voted r president obama, tse gnmthe peopleho dde
thtr people who have no personal responsibility. you wrote off half of the country. you can't pivot away from that. >> how should the president handle 47% in this debate. >> i think he waits 20 or 30 minutes because it would beore stte tav ie from an independent source. we have to remember as much as we follow this the debates are when you have the highest unfiltered impacto reach the public and everyone should know about this. i have no doubt the president wi look for an opening if prat bp be t eth night. >> what are the things the president has to be careful of and be ready for? >> i thought you were about to say one of those things. he's got to be prered to make the case to the american people. remember the economy, there are signofift sll is recovering in ways that the american people don't feel in a majority yet. but the economy is not doing so
well. unemployment is still above 8%. there's a case to be made. he has to be prepared to say the americanplhiarbad but they are getting better and be able to do it and not five minute answers, but in nice pithy 30-second responses. >> and notn a defensive way. >> and notn a defensive way. >> tha youorni us. >> thanks. >> coming up, the man who can save us from another two years of allen west in the house of representatives. patrick murphy will be here. and in the rewrite tonight, honey boo-boo will help me exse the big t pl ryan and mitt romney have to tell to justify their opposition to marriage equality. that is next on the rewrite. c! what's...that... on your head? can curlers! tomato bas, potato with baco..
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are universal human values. >> that was paul ryan lying to his audience in ohio. you can always tell 'republican is lying when he uses the word valu. let' ln tlya l onga. >> the things you talk about like traditional marriage and family and entrepreneurship, she is aren't values that are indicative to any one person or race or creed or color. first of all, n lu entrepreneurship is not a vl u, it's an activity. family is not a value. some families have values. some don't. some families have good values. er'striod r taught to value t everyone with respect. those are the values that barack and i and so many of you are trying to pass on to our own children. that's who we are.
>> but n all famiesue thme things. for example, while some families like the obama family, value education highly, others value extracurricular activities far more thay vue economic achievement. >> this is fun! >> this is what we dohe time. >> i like to get down and dirty redneck style. >> she values down and dirty. people have different values. and then, tre's t other value paul ryan lied about. the thing he and other republicans love to call traditional marriage.
which, of course, is not a vue at all. marriage is a living arrangement. marriage is a leg reement. marriage can be agias definition of a relationship. please note that i did not say a religion-based definition between twopeople. lo atialws, for has always marriages between one man and more than one woman at the same time. in fact, throughout most of human history, the most aditional, which is to say the mo popular form of marriage has been between man a w a the same time. and throughout human history, the other most traditional component of marriage is that it was arranged. not by the two people who marry, but by the parents of the two people who marr
tt mitt romney and paul ryan call traditional marriage, the mriage that is a union between only one man and only one woman and not arranged by their parents, is a tradition that is not as o a t federal government. the bible doesn't just sanction polygamy, it advises men how to do it right. the bible also notes that king solomon had, quote, 70es royal birth. and 300 concubines. if paul ryan were to actually become vice president ryan, he would find himself in countries gnm officials who are ing polimyists. legal polymyists.
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>>he modern day harriet tubman. >> i believe there's about 78 t 81 members of the democratic party that are members of the communist party. evement, take your quy message of economic dependency. take your message of enslaving the entrepreneur will and spirit of the american people somewhere else. you can take it to europe. you can take it to the bottom of the sea. you can take it to the north pole but ge the heutf united states of america. >> that was bat crap crazy tea party republican congressman allen west. yesterday west took to facebook to complain about president obama's united nations sech
d tohow h lucky we and the world are that allen west will never address the united nations. he wrote my statement to the united nations would have been the future does not belong to thoseho attack our embassies and consulates toillur ambassadors. the angel of death in the form of an american bald eagle will visit you and wreak havoc and destction upon your existence. joining me w, patckmu. can you explain to america how allen west got elected to that seat and how he currently in the polls is ahead of you by a few points? >> well, first of all, no one really knows how he got ected. 20asnntti ar. unfortunately democrats did not show up to vote. thankfully, we are getting a lot of strong polling results back. we are actually tied or up in
basically all of the polls that we've seen. wee in a great position to win this november. >>'ve raidil f your campaign, which normally, until very recently, was an awful lot of money for a congressional race. we used to have senate races in this country that cost $2 million. bu allen west has raised five times as muchmoney. he'sot10lie' tg to bury you with. who wants allen waft to stay in that seat so badly that he's been able to collect that $10 million? >> well, about 99% of his fund raising comes from outside of the district. he appeals to a very small perctagefamic t tea party vein. the vast majority of his fund raising comes after these ridiculous comments that you just played. he then sends o a piece of mail to people all over the country, the tea party folks and raises money off of it. 's nesly srt the district the.
it's that tea party vein across the country. >> i want to look at one of your ads, that as one would expect, where you use allen west's words against him. >> i'matrickurphy and i approved this message. >> behind the ads, who's the real allen west? his bill would make all abortions illegal, even in cases of rape and inst. how does he really feelbout women? >> allseom are knew tering american men, let them know they're going to have their men become subservient. >> piers morgan piers morgatricr 50%. here's an incumbent who's been
polling 48% 49%. vemo a t had us tied in the dccc that had us up one point. despiteeing out-spent 4-1 or 3-1, we've upheld and now in a strong positionoing forward to at h asoo sign that he can't break 50. people know how extreme he is and it's our job to introduce ours to th voters. we're getting support from the republicans, democrats that are tired of the extremism and wants someone that has a business cknd, at h a cp that's actually created jobs and not just talked about it. >> do you have debates scheduled with him? >> we do. we have one debate scheduled, october 19th, i believe. we've been to four debates already, which he refused to appear at and w shim several dates for other appearances which he declined.